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- From: Bradd W. Szonye <bradds@ix.netcom.com>
- Newsgroups: comp.lang.c++,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.tools.mfc
- Subject: RE: How much to charge?
- Date: 19 Apr 1996 09:42:15 GMT
- Organization: Netcom
- Message-ID: <01bb2dd4.c8b76740$c6c2b7c7@Zany.localhost>
- References: <dQuZrHAb2$XxEw3a@mics.demon.co.uk> <4jv1fl$hcb@news.microsoft.com> <4klmda$t5a@news.gate.net>
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- X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Apr 19 4:42:15 AM CDT 1996
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-
- On Friday, April 12, 1996, Robert B McInnis wrote...
- > In article <4jv1fl$hcb@news.microsoft.com>,
- > mikeblas@microsoft.com (Mike Blaszczak) wrote:
- > >In article <dQuZrHAb2$XxEw3a@mics.demon.co.uk>, Bill@mics.demon.co.uk
- says...
- > >
- > >>How much cash should I ask for, and on what basis should it be paid?
- > >
- > >That's a really funny question. I work at Microsoft, and I draw a
- pretty
- > >decent salary. Some of the rumours you hear about stock options are
- true.
- > <snip>
- > <General work over-load statements>
- > <snip>
- > >
- > >So, it would seem to me that people expect you to do all sorts of work
- > >for free. They're not happy with giveaways, and they're not interested
- > >in answers or help; they're just interested in their anger.
- >
- > Sounds to me that you are unhappy with your current compensation scale.
- The
- > slides, presentations, design docs, trips, late night panic help calls,
- etc..
- > that I do, I do because its part of the job. If you are complaining,
- its
- > because you're realizing you failed to properly estimate the level of
- > commitment your customer (Microsoft) was expecting.
- >
- > RAISE YOUR RATE!!!!!
- >
- > If your customer seems unhappy now, then imagine what would happen if
- you
- > left! They'd be even more upset. If you feel unjustly compensated,
- raise
- > your rate, tell your customer why. Be honest. Of course, be ready to
- leave
- > if they don't want it to raise. Not to leave would be a loss of "face"
- in the
- > eyes of the customer, and you will no longer get respect.
- >
- > You must honestly judge yourself in relation to others in the field,
- their pay
- > scale, and make a judgement what you should be making. This requires
- > communication. Maybe a 'net based rate scale would be useful.
- Somewhere we'd
- > all be able to gauge ourselves, the area, and the rates we should be
- asking.
- > Remember, this is an industry that make BILLIONS, and we are the ones
- making
- > the product. No marketer, manager, or share holder, just us geeks.
- Shouldn't
- > we make the cash?
- >
- > 13 weeks of my work (and 2 friends), net'd my customer over US$ 5
- million, 6
- > months after release. This was a small nothing piece of niche software.
-
- > There were 2 marketeers, 2 managers, and an out sourced production
- company.
- > It doesn't take much in our industry to make a bundle.
- >
- > This was just my US$ 10 worth (rate increase applied :)
- >
- > Rob
- >
-
- But that's just how Microsoft works. They love ambitious workaholics.
-
-
-